Curse

Shrimz · Aug 30, 2010, 05:56 AM // 05:56

I was doing the last mish in proph in hardmode for zquest on my war. I never once overextended or anything but i would die everytime. the monk said he didnt heal in PvE.. lol wtf he had a healer build but didn't heal anyone

**cosyfiep** · Aug 30, 2010, 06:07 AM // 06:07

I think the only time I really wouldnt heal someone was the over extender--you run 2 rooms ahead of us and aggro the whole place and expect us to heal you?? (dervish with avatar of balthazar...yeah I was going to keep up with him--NOT!)

otherwise I have never had a problem pugging with my monk---

EPO Bot · Aug 30, 2010, 06:58 AM // 06:58

Ever tought of turning of all chat wile pugging? It's relaxing.

Even tough i love my little monklet, i agree 100% with Anet's descision of removing them from GW2. They where simply too mandatory for their own good.

Gill Halendt · Aug 30, 2010, 07:22 AM // 07:22

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

Ever tought of turning of all chat wile pugging? It's relaxing.

This is what I do. Or don't PuG at all. Or better yet, I gave up with healing, both with my Monk and my Rit.

I'm not really for straight "punishing". I'd rather be friendly and help the occasional Wammo or Sin or whatever to improve. Then again, some people are just too self-confident and stubborn to accept any suggestion.

Moonstalker · Aug 30, 2010, 07:28 AM // 07:28

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

Even tough i love my little monklet, i agree 100% with Anet's descision of removing them from GW2. They where simply too mandatory for their own good.

I was upset at first, because I've always loved healing. But then I tried PvPing on my ele and realized: "Wow, when the other team has a monk and you don't, you really realize how much crap sucks."

Coast · Aug 30, 2010, 09:30 AM // 09:30

i heal overextenders with perma seed of life

Xenomortis · Aug 30, 2010, 09:37 AM // 09:37

I regularly don't bother protting people who overextend and simply watch them die. It's much easier that way and it lets me focus on saving the teammates that are actually worth saving. It also makes energy much easier to manage.

I would do the same to casters who run to the frontlines, don't have a shield on swap and never kite or anything, but then I'd run out of players and teammates. I would also have to tell them to not bother being good when I run ER because it would only slow us down. The switch would melt their brains.

chullster · Aug 30, 2010, 09:56 AM // 09:56

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Originally Posted by Hell Darkblight

The monks are dead
Long live the N/Rt and E/Mo

All hail the light of truth!

People use monks to heal in pve? what a novel concept.

Gill Halendt · Aug 30, 2010, 10:38 AM // 10:38

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

I regularly don't bother protting people who overextend and simply watch them die. It's much easier that way and it lets me focus on saving the teammates that are actually worth saving. It also makes energy much easier to manage.

Also provides exploitable corpses, which is often a good thing

Tommy's · Aug 30, 2010, 10:57 AM // 10:57

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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

sabway > human monks

Then you never saw me heal >:)

Age · Aug 30, 2010, 11:03 AM // 11:03

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Originally Posted by kazjun

If you have to micro sabway then you're doing it wrong.

I never use sabway.

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Orignially Posted by tha walkin dude
It's funny when monking in PvE or low level PvP makes people think they're good. With some rare exceptions, the best PvE monk will be about equal to an average low-level PvP monk, and the best low-level PvP monk may be within the range of a below-average GvG monk.

I would say a good pug Monk is on par with any PvP Monk or slightly better.

To those who think N/rt heros are better let them try to deal with stacked conditions or hexes as well interrupts from Windriders and not to forget Centaurs Mesmers Diversion.

Ellix Cantero · Aug 30, 2010, 11:10 AM // 11:10

This thread should be far more effective at displaying why we should have access to 7 heros than any poll.

I don't know that I ever 'let' anyone die monking. On the contrary, I take pride in the fact that I monked for a top 20 guild back in the day and in pve I think my proudest moment came when I was the only monk for the Kryta Titan quest and no one in my pug even died.

Luminarus · Aug 30, 2010, 11:53 AM // 11:53

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Originally Posted by Age

I never use sabway.

I would say a good pug Monk is on par with any PvP Monk or slightly better.

To those who think N/rt heros are better let them try to deal with stacked conditions or hexes as well interrupts from Windriders and not to forget Centaurs Mesmers Diversion.

Stacked conditions - Mend Body & Soul = Non Elite RC with less heal.
Stacked hexes, unless ur running PnH ur pretty much screwed from that anywayz, but you could bring an off char convert to deal with that. But I have to agree that it is an issue, and why you adjust ur build depending on where your going.
Rupts from windriders - flag the N/Rt a bit further back, and spread everything out. Also remember, they are AI so on ur monk the few skills that will get through are Patient Spirit/Seed of Life. Anything else and ur looking at the same Cast Time as the rit skills. You also forget the rits party heals from PwK & Life that will be better versus the degen pressure of them.
Finally, how is a monk going to deal better with a mesmers diversions instead of a rit, unless your comparing Hero to player, in which case the a player N/Rt would be better then a monk in most sitations

Gill Halendt · Aug 30, 2010, 12:05 PM // 12:05

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Originally Posted by Ellix Cantero

I don't know that I ever 'let' anyone die monking. On the contrary, I take pride in the fact that I monked for a top 20 guild back in the day and in pve I think my proudest moment came when I was the only monk for the Kryta Titan quest and no one in my pug even died.

Here we have it, a great monk, and most likely, a great player.

Jenn · Aug 30, 2010, 01:43 PM // 13:43

I think it's far more satisfying to keep a bad team alive than to have a fit and say, "Screw you - I'm the monk, and I call the shots." I've always done my best to ensure the success of the team through advice, effort and leadership. It's true that 90% of players don't empathize with what monks go through when they're not playing the monk, but most monks are also not as great as the attitude they carry.

By now, people should be aware that you can't count on your random selection of peers to play how you want and/or at the level of play you want. Until GW2 comes out, grab some heroes and henchies if you can't deal with others.

Grumpy Bear · Aug 30, 2010, 01:57 PM // 13:57

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Originally Posted by Luminarus

Stacked conditions - Mend Body & Soul = Non Elite RC with less heal.

Do you have any idea what RC does? From wiki-Elite Spell. Removes all conditions. Removal effect: heals for 10...58...70 for each condition removed.

Mend Body and Soul-Spell. Heals for 20...96...115. Removes one condition for each spirit within earshot.

So unless you have numerous spirits with you, MBaS is no comparison to RC.

Ka Tet · Aug 30, 2010, 01:59 PM // 13:59

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Originally Posted by Age

I would say a good pug Monk is on par with any PvP Monk or slightly better.

Not even close. Try guesting them for a GvG or even just going to HA with them.
PvE monks are very used to getting by on seeds and on not being the target and not facing dedicated shutdown. Beyond that, their job is also usually made easier by people running some form of self-heal, aura-resto, troll unguent, stuff like that. Next, throw in spirits and minions which soak up damage that the team would otherwise take. Then, top all of that off with a defy tank, consets and an imbagon.
In PvP, the monks are nothing but the target and most teams have at least one member who's only job is to shutdown the monks. It's a totally different animal.

Lillium · Aug 30, 2010, 02:04 PM // 14:04

Well, I am a very tolerant monk. I would rather explain what someone is doing wrong than just rage, and I would rather make an attempt to heal over extenders (or at least prot spirit/SoL them when I see them running), even if only so the team isn't down a meatshield. However...

About a month ago in DoA I was in a rather late night NM group and we ended up taking a W/Rt - against our better judgment. I think it was out of lack of people awake and bumming DoA. Well, first we noticed him acting extremely odd and kept asking him what was wrong, until someone realized he was botting. We all reported him then kept going. When he quit botting (half way through Veil) he turned out to be an even worse player and was extremely rude about it to the rest of the team.... After he got all the other DwG's killed. At that point I flatly stated I would not raise him if he died, and our other monk seconded it. He died at the Dreadspawn maw. After we collected our chest and moved on to Gloom he got the hint and left.

Leechers and botters should get what they deserve.

Actually, I've run into leechers on missions in pve plenty, and while it's not worth the effort of complaining most of the time, I would really like the ability to report for leeching in pve...

Kerwyn Nasilan · Aug 30, 2010, 02:41 PM // 14:41

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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

It pisses me off that its become the norm to fear your monks, I've been in doa runs etc and someone says one negative comment to the monk they rage quit every single time. If someone criticizes you suck it up and get over it.

I have never had a reason to fear my monks, nor have they ever stopped healing me or raged (at least anymore then the other classes). So clearly this is an issue with you, not the monks.

Skyy High · Aug 30, 2010, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by Age

I would say a good pug Monk is on par with any PvP Monk or slightly better.

Hahahahaha.

No.